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David Heyman, the producer of all eight “Harry Potter” films, did pretty well for himself the last time he adapted a beloved book series for the big screen. After a quick stop in outer space — he also produced the 7-time Oscar winner “Gravity” — Heyman is back on Earth. And he’s trading one London train station (Platform 9 3/4 at King’s Cross) for another memorable destination
OH MY GOD PADDINGTON BEAR!!!!
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WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
I know we all love Edna because she’s super fierce and determined and an awesome role model and shit but
do you ever think that she feels intensely guilty over this, having made this suit that lead to the death of this amazing young girl
Maybe there’s a reason she never looks back.
why would you do this
(via princeofhopefullness)Source: mechaspiders
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Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?
This quote makes me kind of sad, and sums of one of many things I dislike about Bayverse. It’s so horribly human-centric; not just in terms of screen real estate, but on a deeper, more profoundly arrogant level as well.
That humans are so important to the universe that a race of magnificent, advanced alien beings would willingly allow their race to crumble to extinction, just to spare a few humans. That human lives are so much more valuable than any other life form in the universe could possibly be— that we must be preserved at all costs, while other races die off.
There’s never any explanation given for this. Megatron’s quote above doesn’t even sound particularly villainous. It sounds like a harsh reality, almost a plea.
And Optimus and the Autobots are supposed to be considered “heroic” for annihilating their own species in order to save every single member of ours. Again.. why? It simply doesn’t make sense.
that right there is pretty much why i consider megatron a tragic character in any continuity wherein op fucks his own people over
even if i agree with op’s decision
i still think megatron’s point of view matters
and it frustrates me when it is so easily tossed aside
(do you hear me, tfp writers)
i mean the loss of the allspark renders the entire race barren all at once
the decepticons have no say in whether this happens
it just does
if you do not think that is sad i do not know what to tell you
(do you hear me, tfp writers)
There are a LOT of nuanced threads thrown out about Megatron especially in the first movie that aren’t actually addressed on screen by any characters, but they’re there even for other characters. Bayverse, when examined past the Hollywood yeehaws, is actually smarter than people give it credit for. That’s without even examining the editing—THE EDITING, HOLY… These decisions are not made on accident. Every shot, length of shot, framing of shot, etc, has a precise purpose that sort of hides behind “This is a movie about Shia LaBeouf and his pet robot car helping him get the girl.”
Yeah, definitely. People remember “I SMELL YOU BOYYYYYYYYYYYY” and forget why Megatron was so damn angry in the first place. Which, yeah, is because he was experimented on. But there’s more.
Remember how the humans’ experiments yielded computers? Cars? Cellular phones? All the devices that very few humans in the developed world, and probably quite a few in “the third world,” can now imagine living without?
Well, we know those were patterned on Megatron, right? So when the Allspark wakes them up, they’re warlike and angry and the implication is they’d all be ‘Cons?
The humans have the Allspark, remember. They’re intentionally keeping Megatron and the Allspark apart. While they build things they’ve designed based on studying Megatron.
But we’re shown that the humans can and sometimes have used it to revive them. Remember Nokia-bot? Who was brought to life as a demonstration and then almost immediately killed?
Megatron awakens in the human world — the world of creatures who experimented on him and kept him paralyzed in forced stasis — to find those machines are everywhere.
The devices that we use every day? The thing I’m using to type this to y’all right now?
All of these things are, essentially, Megatron’s stillborn children.
Kept lifeless so they will be completely obedient to humans.
It’s not “Oh no, they might become Decepticons if somebody woke ‘em up.”
They already are. They’re just dead.
I’m not going to tell you Megatron isn’t the villain. I’m not going to say Being The Bigger Person (tm) wouldn’t involve making peace.
But I am going to say that if Megatron’s utter hatred of humans doesn’t make sense to you…
…you’ve missed something somewhere.
I remember reading a fic, years ago, where someone is explaining about Nokiabot (the mobile phone brought to life) to Starscream. It’s subtle, but he has this moment of real anger and loss that humanity would so casually create Cybertronian life - something his entire race can no longer do - and then just snuff it out for the hell of it. That always stuck with me.
And then, for Megatron, add in that these are essentially the children of his body. GodDAMN.
Yeah. Waking up in the modern-day human world after that stasis would be, it seems to me, like waking up in the middle of a really creepy horror movie.
mechanicbird pointed out, and rightly so I think, that it might not quite be as horrifying as waking up to find aliens walking around with dead babies. Cybertronians do make things out of lifeless metal. So it’s not quite "All the cups are made of dead baby skulls!"
But I do think it’s more like that than not. Because while lifeless metal is a thing to Cybertronians where we humans are not likely to come across never-living skin or something… Megatron knows that those objects are patterned on him. He’s living.
So to him, maybe those cell phones and computers and TVs are not alive rather than dead, yes. But they’re not random sheets of metal lying around. They’re not alive things based on a living template: himself.
So I do think he would see them as his children. Perhaps his unborn ones rather than his stillborn ones, but that would still be creepy to him, I think. Especially given that the aliens are making sure they stay unborn.
Because in a sense, we know that Megatron wants to make more Cybertronians. Yes, he wants them to be a new Decepticon army, and yes, that sounds much more like wanting soldiers than wanting to be a dad. But I do think he’d feel at least somewhat paternal toward these beings the humans have half-made, once they’re awakened.
Because in a sense, they are his fetuses, and ones he’d clearly want to keep.
Yeah, see, when examined we get really neat stuff like this.
I kinda think he was sort of a little awake the whole time he was kept frozen (I have a chunk of that giant frozen Megatron sculpture because my cousin worked on the movie, as well as the next two xD) because he seems to already know English well as soon as he fully awakens without seeming to need to do any downloads but there’s more. I was talking about this with a friend awhile ago—The first thing he says if I recall is I AM MEGATRON and this is after the S7 dude argues with Sam about his name. Megatron could’ve gone years and years frozen like that hearing NBE-1 and then this little fleshling calls him by his name, and refers to him as leader of the Decepticons. Like others said, not saying he’s not a villain or bad because of the things that have happened but I kinda feel sad for him. Home is gone, no more new life, gets stuck in some ice, desperately tries to reach out to the first life he sees and it could’ve been like HERE THE ALLSPARK IS HERE, A MAP ON YOUR GLASSES, MY RACE IS DYING, then gets hauled away and kept frozen and stripped of his name.
What would have happened if Megatron’s luck had been better? Or if he hadn’t been kept frozen when they found him in the 1930’s. What would he have said, I wonder? He wouldn’t be this angry at the humans, not saying he’d be 100% polite but that also brings us back to that quote above…
Megatron experienced first hand for 72 years the shitty side of humans and that’s ALL he got. And Optimus just lands here and thinks they’re so special and precious and worth saving. I’d be frustrated with the truck too.
i wasn’t gonna reblog this, but fuck it, i want this on my blog. i wrote it in a rush, so i don’t care, nor am i in the mood to format and correct it properly- it’s just gonna go on my blog.
i;msorryi’msorryi’msorry but wait just a goddamn moment- “is the future of our race not worth a single human life?” UUUUUUHHHHHH THE FUTURE OF YOUR RACE WOULDN’T BE IN QUESTION IF YOU HADN’T GONE BUMFUCK CRAZY ON EVERYONE. WHY DOES EVERYONE FORGET THIS. THERE IS NO UNIVERSE (except shattered glass) WHERE MEGATRON IS THE REASONABLE PERSON. THERE ISN’T. I WILL GRANT THAT IN SOME UNIVERSES HE STARTED OFF WITH NOBLE INTENTIONS BUT NOBLE INTENTIONS DON’T MEAN SHIT WHEN YOU BASICALLY LEAD YOUR RACE TO ANNIHILATION FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. now, on the subject of “op fucking his own people over”. his catchphrase is “freedom is the right of all sentient beings”, he’s a diplomat and a historian, he gets nicknames like “big buddha”. now, if there were someone like this, who has endured MILLIONS of years of war, who has defended and in turn had to kill his own people to defend their right to live free of tyranny, someone who has watched this war cut down the numbers of his race one by one, why wouldn’t he choose to defend this quite young race, only just starting to make big technological advancements, this race that they’ve brought their war onto, this race that can’t hope to truly defend themselves against the decepticons if they were really going for it???? why wouldn’t he choose this race that has time to grow into greatness over the last of his kind- over a people who don’t remember anything but war, over half a race that still wants to conquer everything in their way, and the other half who can’t do anything but die defending themselves????? i fully understand all that is wrong with bayverse- there’s a lot wrong with it, nobody can argue that. but i wouldn’t go so far as to call megatron a tragic character (in bayverse)- he’s a warmonger, he wants absolute power, and he wants to conquer anything that takes his fancy, and he started with his own fucking people. op couldn’t possibly fuck over his own people because megatron has done as much fucking over as can be done. in bayverse, their race has gotten to the point where, realistically, their future is dim no matter what they do- they’re scattered around the universe in small groups, any time that autobots/decepticons meet, it results in fighting and death and collateral damage to whatever planet they’re on. giving in to megatron would be pointless and a pitiful end to their race and after so many years of war, op knows it. so of course he’s going to help the humans- then maybe someone in the universe won’t remember the cybertronians as being violent killing machines who land on worlds, cause havoc, and then fuck off to let the natives deal with the fallout!
(and on the subject of humans using megatron in experiments and whatever the fuck not- well what the hell? do you expect victorian-era humans to be able to defend themselves against megatron and then the rest of the decepticons if they’d let him wake up???? OF COURSE THEY KEPT HIM ON ICE. and of fucking course they re-engineered a bunch of tech from him! Yeah, we found this bigass robotic alien- let’s not touch it or study it at all, let’s just keep it in the freezer and hope that nothing like it ever lands on our planet again!! yeeessss, that’s a very smart human decision, isn’t it? humans are opportunistic and inquisitive by nature- of fucking course they’re going to go poking around the alien, trying to learn as much as they can from it- are you fucking stupid???? and as for giving the technology they’ve re-created life- if you manage to animate something, and the first fucking thing it wants to do is kill you, of course you’re going to try and kill it first. come the fuck oooooooonnnn.)
Heyyy, friend, I thiiink you’re confusing perspective analysis with like… saying “OH MEGATRON IS A POOR BABY AND EVERYTHING HE DOES IS OKAY AND OPTIMUS IS A BULLY.” We’re not in any way saying that Megatron should’ve just killed all the humans and fucked off into space with the Allspark and his ‘cons.
We’re just dissecting something that was thrown to us but not explored in the film. Which is something I love doing, it’s super fun!
(Also I’m confused, I thought he was found in 1935—that’s not Victorian-era?)
Anyway, it’s interesting to think about because if the narrative was different and the main character of our story was held captive for 72 years and experimented on by aliens, and after his comrades finally find him and help him escape, some other dudes from his planet are like, “You can’t kill any of them to save our race, they’re innocent little aliens”, the hero and we as the audience would be like HELL NO DID YOU NOT SEE WHAT THEY JUST DID and we wouldn’t care that “not all humans are cruel” because the perspective is different and like in movies where a dude does everything he can (including commit murder) to save his family/the world, we would still be rooting for him.
Buuuut then one of those little aliens uses the only thing that can save their people to kill our main character and doom his race to extinction and all Optimus has to say is, “you left me no choice, brother.”
Who would we be mad at if the perspective was played this way? The little humans, yeah, for doing that to our main character. And Optimus. For being stubborn and just not getting it.
(Yo, disclaimer: By analyzing and thinking about a perspective change, I am not excusing or condoning anything and I am tired of the people around here who shit all over villain analysis. I’m not one of those people that babies Decepticons and says the Autobots are horrible evil people, this is merely a speculation on perspective and narrative change, because nothing is ever black and white and this movie throws out a LOT of stuff that, because none of the characters actually stops and goes, “Hey, MAYBE Megatron kinda is justified in being pissed at humans and at Optimus”, most people who see the film aren’t going to take his perspective into consideration because like I said, it all pretends to be about Sam and his pet car and the girl he likes. That doesn’t make it a bad thing, either. It’s kinda nuanced and clever.
This war and the context are honestly too big for Sam and the humans to fully comprehend. What if Megatron had a chance to speak to humans first about was was happening? The Autobots would likely then have been seen as bad guys just as easily and wouldn’t have been trusted, not because Megatron lied and painted them as evil, but because if he had a chance to explain what was happening from his viewpoint and his goals and what he was trying to accomplish to save his people, it would make anyone that opposes him look like bad guys.
It’s just cool to think about, that’s all.